Here we go, again.....

The old argument of property rights Vs. God-given, Inherent, Inalienable Rights. Has raised its ugly head yet again. The argument is going on at Keep and Bear Arms, and is now in its second day. Following are a few of the comments I've submitted on the topic:
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Actually, business, government and people are ALL bound by the U.S. Constitution, if they are in the territory of the United States. That IS the TRUE intent. To Wit:

"The defence of one’s self, justly called the primary law of nature, is not, nor can it be abrogated by any regulation of municipal law. This principle of defence is not confined merely to the person; it extends to the liberty and the property of a man: it is not confined merely to his own person; it extends to the persons of all those, to whom he bears a peculiar relation -- of his wife, of his parent, of his child, of his master, of his servant: nay it extends to the person of every one, who is in danger; perhaps, to the liberty of every one, whose liberty is unjustly and forcibly attacked. It becomes humanity as well as justice."

- James Wilson, 'Of the Natural Rights of Individuals', 1790-1792 (Signed the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution, Congressman, Delegate to the Constitutional Convention and Supreme Court Justice).

"But if the execution of the laws of the national government should not require the intervention of the State legislatures, if they were to pass into immediate operation upon the citizens themselves, the particular governments could not interrupt their progress without an open and violent exertion of an unconstitutional power. No omissions nor evasions would answer the end. They would be obliged to act, and in such a manner as would leave no doubt that they had encroached on the national rights."

- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist #16

I don't care what nine perverse usurping monkeys with black robes on say. I KNOW what the Constitution says and means. NO ONE has the right to divest us of our BIRTHRIGHT.

If anyone wants to enjoy the OTHER benefits of Liberty, than they have NO RIGHT to divest their fellow-citizens of a God-given, Inherent an[d] Natural Right!

OR, HOW WOULD 'THEY' LIKE IT IF WE STARTED SCREWING WITH 'THEIR' LIBERTIES?

"Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say, 'What should be the reward of such sacrifices?' ...If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!"

- Samuel Adams

"...were under the sway of powerful combination, properly known as "Ku-Klux Klan," the objects of which were, by force and terror, to prevent all political action not in accord with the views of the members, to deprive colored citizens of the right to bear arms, and of the right to a free ballot; to suppress schools in which colored children were taught, and to reduce the colored people to a condition closely akin to that of slavery; that these combinations were organized and armed and had rendered the local laws ineffectual to protect the classes whom they desired to oppress...."

- Pres. US Grant, 4/19/1872

Those, that don't want us to be armed, look upon us as SLAVES. Those who attempt to disarm us intend on being our 'masters'.Notice how, that once we started becoming 'uppity' they moved most of our manufacturing overseas?All the 'workers', (read slaves/subjects), in China are now disarmed, aren't they? These 'people' don't care a bit about the rights of man. Their sole end aim and purpose is 'mammon'. And our greedy servants in government bought right into their greed. And assisted in their destruction of our manufacturing base. Greed, and lust for domination is what is destroying our rights, and our country. Would you want an armed populace/workers/shoppers if you were a greedy tyrant?

"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe."

"...the EQUAL and independent Station to which the Laws of NATURE and of NATURE'S GOD ENTITLE them...We hold these Truths to be SELF-EVIDENT; that all Men are created EQUAL and independent; that from that EQUAL Creation they derive RIGHTS INHERENT and UNALIENABLE; among which are the PRESERVATION of Life, and Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness; that to SECURE these Ends, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the...." - Declaration, First Draft

"The First Law of Nature is that every man ought to endeavour peace, as far as he has hope of obtaining it; and when he cannot obtain it, that he may seek and use all helps and advantages of war."

"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

Anyone that seeks to disarm me, is not my friend, or my employer. Nor, are they a TRUE American government 'official'. Much less a TRUE American PERIOD

No, those that seek to disarm me, are in fact my ENEMY......

"In short, it is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the power of one, or any number of men, at the entering into society, to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights; when the grand end of civil government, from the very nature of its institution, is for the support, protection, and defence of those very rights; the principal of which, as is before observed, are Life, Liberty, and Property. If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave."- Samuel Adams and Benjamin Franklin, The Rights of the Colonists

"...a private business's choice to prohibit licensed patrons from carrying a handgun for self-defense."According to the Constitution, they have NO such choice:"We established however some, although not all its [self-government] important principles. The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent....that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed..."

- Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. Memorial Edition 16:45, Lipscomb and Bergh, editors

You want Liberty? Than you better learn to let others have theirs. NO ONE has the Right to divest us of our God-given, Inherent Right.

Comment by: Cal45acp (10/24/2006)

Let's see which came first, the instinct for self preservation or the business man. I do believe that almost every creature was created, by whatever means, with the instinct to survive. Also that instinct came long, long before any kind of business. It has been called the first "LAW of NATURE" and it was written long, long time before any of the artificial laws of man.The business man is the one that is obligated to recognise that first law. He should not be in business if he wants to restrict anyones instinctive right to life. He should find other work.The argument that a business/property owner can restrict that instinct is the same one the Anti Gunners use in talking about "Reasonable Restrictions". One man controls anothers life.